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[Vason]

Ahoj vsichni!
O vikendu jsem navstivil Gabora Biro na Slovensku za ucelem koupe luku, ktery mi privezl od Kassaie. Na zaklade vyborne debaty, primluvy moji a kamosovy, nam Gabor nabidl moznost letniho seminare JIZDNI LUKOSTRELBY. Vice zde:

http://www.lukostrelec.cz/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=1014

[Vason]

[pallo007]

[Vason]

[pallo007]

to Vason: skus
http://www.turania.hu

alebo

http://csodaszarvas.eu/ijak.php?lang=en

s oboma mam skusenost, odpovedaju:-) z toho szarvasa mam L7 od nomadbows (kupene osobne ale myslim ze v pohode aj posielaju)

[Jas]

Tak som si to overil a bola to blba rada. Jediny koho som identifikoval od "barátom" bol ERZE na str. 6. Tak ho skus.
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J.

[Jas]

Najdi si v zozname adries , chalanov madarov. Poznas ich podla mien okamzite. Vsetci su z okolia madarskych hranic pri Komarne a Dunajskej strede a uz i v tychto mestach su lovecke obchody plné madarskych laminatov. Oni ti to mozu kupit , alebo poslat z obchodu na dobierku. Kérem sépen...
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J.

[Vason]

Mam dotaz na vsechny Kassaiovy priznivce. Jic cca mesic (mozna dele) se snazim nejakym zpusobem koupit Kassaiuv luk, pres stranky to nejde
([url] http://felszerelesek.lovasijaszat.hu/felszerelesek/index.php?module=bows&id=5&lang=2 [/url]), psal mu Email, bez odezvy, psal jsem si i s B. Gaborem, ale to taky ted nejak uslo mrtvem bode Jeste se mi pokousel pomoci Gator pres nejakeho znameho, ale bohuzel. Mate pro mne nekdo nejakou radu???? Diky.

[Ogen]

Čo nie je v hlave, je v translatoru za 3750 Kč bez DPH , zatiaľ sa dá žiť i bez toho.

[SanDuro]

to Ogen

Ogen, you tube je uz aj cesky a skus len tak pre srandu google translations.


San

[Ogen]

Aby som si nepripadal ako na you tube, vďaka.

[Buky]

Ze jsi to ty, Ogene:

"...podle me zkusenosti dela Grozer lepsi luky nez jini madarsti lukari.

...jak ti dole vysvetlil San, luky s dlouhymi siahy jsou obecne mene ucinne. Hlavne pri mensi natahove sile (do 70-80 lbs).

Nejucinnejsi Grozeruv luk, ktery jsem mohl vyzkouset je laminovany Asyran. Lze jej doporucit, i kdyz jeho konstrukce nevychazi zcela z dobovych pramenu."

Zdar

Bookie

[Ogen]

Fajn Buky pokračuj !

[Gator]

Oisin, sorry for my delay, i spent several days at the cottage (making cresting machine )

Well, my experience with Grozers bows, is that in compare with other Hungarian bowyers he makes better bows.

As San told you bellow, bows designed to have long static tips are generally less efficient. Especially in lower poundage (up to 70-80 lbs).

The most efficient Grozers bow, i made experience with during tests mentioned at the begining of this discussion, is laminated Assyrian. Although its more fantasy design, nothing historically proper its recomendable bow.
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Ostatně soudím, že stane-li se tradiční lukostřelba sportem, bude zničena.

[Buky]

Pirátský překlad:

...pochybuji, že vyrobíš 35 librového Mongola z tradičních materiálů. Spíš se původně vyráběl jako 100 - 130 librový. Navíc jsou tradiční matroše citlivé na teplotu a vlhkost...

Běžná síla u těchto luků je dnes od 50 do 70 liber. Another thing is that these bows are far from the sharpshooters = asi že šípy z toho lítaj tak nějak všemi směry.

Výhoda konstrukce těchto luků se projevuje až při velké nátahové síle.
Něktěří ortodoxní vyznavači Mongola říkají, že to stojí za to až od 70 liber výš.

...nejdřív si obstarej šípy, kterými chceš střílet, navštiv nějaký krám a vyzkoušej si různé luky. Pokud nejsi zkušený střelec nebo nevíš, co přesně chceš, je nákup luku přes internet na pytel.

...neexistuje luk, který by vyhovoval všem. Krom toho ti musí sedět, což závisí od tvé výšky, nátahu...

Buky

[Ogen]

Sane, napíš i český překlad, ať z toho něco máme my i OISIN .

[SanDuro]

I am not an expert on traditional materials but I doubt that you can make 35 pound mongolian bow from traditional materials. These bows were made more like 100 - 130 pounds in history. Plus these traditional materials are very sensitive to temperature and humidity. Unless you live somewhere where is dry and no rain forget it.

Ussual poundage for these bows today is from 50 to 70 pounds.
Another thing is that these bows are far from the sharpshooters.

These bows really starts to take advantage of
design on heavy poundages.
Some hardcore mongolian bow archers says it's starts really working from 70 pounds plus.

So before you do anything, I recomend you to get some arrows you plan to shoot and visit the bowshop and try different bows. Unless you are not expierenced archer or you really do not know what you exactly want, buying bow over the internet is always the worst choice.

With bow you build kind of VERY PERSONAL relationship and it is not one design one size fits all. Besides you shall have in mind that bow needs to fits you, depends how tall are you, what is your draw etc...

San

[OISIN]

Interesting. Does that apply only to the authentically made ones (made of horn, sinew, wood) or to the fiberglass base models as well? They seem to mostly be modernish recurve bows that look a bit like old horsebows and have static tips.

[SanDuro]

OISIN,

35 pound modern Reflex-deflex long bow is effective, recurve is better but mongolian type of bow on this poundage is not effective unless you pull it really long. Like 31 inches, so you will be not compatible with other guys and can not use their arrows.

And it brings you another problem with long arrows.

So, I recommend you to go recurve/modern longbow way.

San

[OISIN]

SanDuro--that's exactly the opposite of what my experience and my (limited) knowledge of bow physics would indicate . . . longbows generally tend to be less effective and efficient at low poundages than recurves. Or at least, that's how I've always heard it told, and having shot both types at roughly the same poundage, it seems to me to be true.

I don't know, though, I'm not an expert, just an archer.

[Josh]

Buky,

básník tím chtěl říct, že tenhle typ luků je díky konstrukci maximálně účinný pouze při podstatně větším nátahu než 35 lb. Ne že by se s tím nedalo střílet, ale je to jako bys do Mercedesu namontoval motor z Trabanta.
Pokud ho chceš použít pouze pro bitevní rekonstrukce jako Oisin, tak je to samozřejmě jedno, tam bys navíc nic silnějšího mít neměl.

[Buky]

[SanDuro]

OISIN,

for 35 pound bow you should look at the longbow or some recurve, this mongolian/asyrian etc bows do NOT work very efficently on LOW poundage.

In this case I shall to check something like Lanura or Geronimo from Kyzl.

http://www.bows-kyzl.cz/luky.html

San

[OISIN]

I don't know what specific type I want. I need a bow for a medieval reenactment that requires you to use a bow of no more than 35# @ 28" draw, so I need the bow that has the absolute most efficiency so I can make my arrows go as fast as possible. So, maybe Hungarian of the Middle Ages or Sacytha-Hungarian, but I don't know. Whatever has the most efficiency and the most speed at 35#.

I can't find the search function to find the users GATOR or EZRE, but I'll look through this thread.

Thanks for your help!

[SanDuro]

OISIN,

debate here is quite complex but generally people favor Grozer bows as far as debate goes. In order to pick the right bow for you, contact member GATOR. He has tested a bunch of bows personally, also with chrono.

It is hard to say if GROZER or KASSAI is any better generally, depends on the type of bow you prefer.

Also user EZRE has quite a knowledge about Grozer bows, plus he lives nearby and speaks Hungarian.

Would you be more specific about the bow you intend to buy, which kind ( magyar, hun, etc) as well as poundage you want ?

Probably we can be more helpfull then ...

San

[OISIN]

Hi all,

Sorry, I don't speak or read Czech (I'm Irish living in America), but I was looking on Google and saw this thread, and was wondering if any of you could tell me a bit about the debate between Kassai and Grozer in English? I want to buy one of these bows, in the basic model, and was wondering if someone could tell me a bit about them and whose is better?

Thanks,

Oisin

[Vason]

Takze prubeh reklamace zatim bezproblemovy, poslal jsem to zpatky v baliku a ted uz se pro mne vyrabi stejny novy. (Jinac mi byli nabidnuty 3 moznosti. 1. Vyrobi mi stejny novy, 2. Vyberu si ze STOCKU jiny Hunacky 3. Jiny Madarsky).

Apropo mel bych jeste dotazek k delce natahu. Grozer dela "nove i stare" typy s natahem 31" (Extra IIIky jsou dokonce pouze 29") coz je 193cm manika celkem malo. (Dokonce i sipy od Grozera jsou kratsi)
Jak tady jiz uvedl tusim Mysa, tak Kassai ma Huny vetsi, tudis zrejme i s delsim natahem (snad az 34"). Je to tak?
Sice mne vicero renomovanych osob ujistovalo, ze to bylo vadou materialu, nikoliv pretazenim, mam z toho stale smisene pocity

[Vason]

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[Ogen]

Asi je to jediný ozvučený luk a je to rarita !